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So in the end, what has this class done for you?

Filled your requirements for Humanities?

Taught you something?

Angered you?

Altered your perception of Western Culture in a way that will benefit your being a part of it?

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From:

Dr.Wren wren@utep.edu

Date:

Wednesday, May 01, 2002 08:54 AM

I'll go first.

Yes, I learned some things this semester. It is the main reason I teach--I learn.

What did I learn this semester? Working with Clausewitz this semester, I gained an insight into how American military policy has been shaped by the Vietnam War--we are, in effect, still fighting that war, still fighting that enemy.

I have become yet more radical in my suspicion of the value or utility of any and all arguments based on and promoting "belief". Faith, my friends, is no virtue; it is a destructive, death-dealing fault.

I have learned that "racism" seems to have a "positive" side. Racist ideas can give a minority a sense of identity--a false one, to be sure, but most probably an improvement over the identity granted them by a thoughtless majority.

Unlike you folks, however, I will continue to work with this stuff in the classroom and in life. Most of you are out of class and stuck with doing your learning in the much more dangerous world outside the confines of the UGL.

It's been fun, for the most part.

See you at the party. I'll be the guy who looks like Charlie Brown, all grown up, and with a job.

 

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From:

Maureen mdurkin1@yahoo.com

Date:

Wednesday, May 01, 2002 12:41 PM

It's always fun for me... I like rejoining my friends, Bob, Larry, Spock, Ubi, Armando..[when he is around] and so on...

It is quite fun...

I learned that it is getting harder and harder to maintain intellect and faith at the same time...These courses challenge me..

Another thing I have learned..I will always be my gracious me..not matter how I grow in other ways..:)

I have learned [over time] that Nietzsche is not so bad.... I still have to conquer that mountain though..I am slowly climbing..

Graciously,

Maureen

 

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From:

Txpsychman xpsysteelers99@aol.com

Date:

Wednesday, May 01, 2002 04:25 PM

You know it is funny..prior to taking this class I really thought humanities was a waste of time. I did like some of the things that I learned in 3301 and 3302 however, I guess I just didn't see how it related to modern times and why I should care. I also heard horror stories about Dr. Wren and his teaching style and was deathly afraid to take this class with him. However, I can honestly say that I have enjoyed his lectures and the discussions we have all had in class have left me with lots to think about.
My ideas about western cult. have broadened and I do understand the need to learn from whence we came. This is the only way to understand potentially where we will be going.


Txpsychman

 

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From:

Smiles lorraine-flores@hotmail.com

Date:

Wednesday, May 01, 2002 09:11 PM

The end of another semester!
Although I have completed a required course, I have learned so much.
I would have to say the one thing that I will take with me forever from this course is that the Bible is not fact. This will stay with me because it was the one thing that didn't let me sleep at night because I put so much thought into it.
This semester has opened my mind and allowed me to understand that you shouldn't just believe things that are told to you...always ask why is it that you believe what you do.And because we are all becoming, our beliefs should be as well.
Thanks for all the interesting input.
smiles :)

 

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From:

Stereo sandraandmono@hotmail.com

Date:

Wednesday, May 01, 2002 10:36 PM

I must admit I am rather sad that I am done with my humanities classes. i truly enjoyed them, except for Leviathan that I know was very insightful but was not the most interesting book to read. I especially liked the books that we read recently in the semester. X, Night, Poisonwood Bible. They were so interesting to read that I forgot they were for school. I think these classes made me see our culture in a complete different light and I wish every student would be required to take the Humanities classes.

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From:

Littlerocks patricia@utep.edu

Date:

Wednesday, May 01, 2002 11:26 PM

I really enjoyed this class for the reason that this class was the most challenging of all due to so much information that it really made me think of all the possibilities of looking at things from different perspectives. This in turn has made me be even a wiser person in making critical and positive decisions that may have turned out differently if not for the information that was presented in Dr. Wren's class. Every class is an experience, but I have to say this was a great experience in lessons that can and will be carried with me from now on.

 

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From:

Michel kavila@utep.edu

Date:

Wednesday, May 01, 2002 11:33 PM

IT'S THE END OF TAKING THESE COURSES, AND YES THERE IS A LOT YOU CAN LEARN- LIKE HOW IMPORTANT THESE CONFERENCES ARE!!! I'VE ACTUALLY ENJOYED ALL THREE PARTS OF WCH. WITH DR. WREN AND JOHNSON ----SUCH WEIRD, YET INTELLIGENT THEY ARE, I'LL MISS YOU ALL!!!!

 

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From:

Andie ASAL911921@aol.com

Date:

Thursday, May 02, 2002 08:40 AM

Well I can honestly say that when I found out that Dr. Wren was the only professor I could take this class with I was scared. Everyone told what a hard teacher he was but actually it wasn't that bad. The only thing I have learned for next time is to do the conferences and do the essays beforehand to make it all easier in the end.
andie

 

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From:

Andrea

Date:

Thursday, May 02, 2002 11:26 AM

I finally completed my last Humanities requirement!! At the beginning of the semester I was nervous because of the stories I heard about Dr. Wren. In the end I now know they were false. I enjoyed this class. I liked the texts and how they challenged many of our beliefs and ideas. I really liked Leviathan and Malcolm X. But most of all I would say I like the debates on the conferences. It would have been so boring without you Wellington, Maureen, and Ubi. And yes we can't forget Dr. Wren. Thanx for a great semester.
Andrea

 

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From:

Wellington j05m23@aol;.com

Date:

Thursday, May 02, 2002 01:15 PM

So the semester is over and my humanities requirements are done (hopefully). What have I learned?

Probably surprisingly to Dr. Wren, I learned a great deal. I have found this course, as well as the other two, most challenging and interesting. It has been a fascinating journey to see how our (western) culture has developed and changed. From the philosophy of Aristotle to Nietzsche, the poetry of Plato to Eliot, religion from the Bible to the Koran, they have all shaped how we think and perceive our world.

This is probably the only course that I have ever taken that has kept me awake at night trying to comprehend and develop a response to what the texts, the professor, and fellow students were trying to say. I can not honestly say that all of it was fun, but it was definitely stimulating. However, I don't think that I have been called as many names as I have this semester, except perhaps when I was in the fourth grade.
Conservative or Liberal, Christian or non-Christian, we all have an opinion and it is irresponsible to trample another person's opinion simply because you disagree with it. I have always believed that "education" was the sharing of opinions and ideas, not necessarily accepting or agreeing with those opinions or ideas, but at least listening to them without name calling and belittlement.

Ubi,
I must say that of all the people I have ever spoken with, you seem to me to be one of the most intellectually independent people I have ever met. It was a pleasure Sir. I hope that your educational journey never ends. Even though you and I disagreed on many issues and occasions, I would not hesitate to call you a friend.

Maureen,
Many times you were my only ally. Thank you. I hope that your continuing education will lead you to a firm stance on whether belief is compatible with education. I think that it is. I don't believe you have to give up your beliefs in order to get that Phd.

Vixie,
It was a pleasure meeting you. I wish you could have posted more often. I would have liked to hear your opinions.

Armando and Andreas,
It was very interesting debating with you both. I wish you luck on your continuing educations and I hope that someday you both realize that it is not necessary to always agree with the professor.

Datalus and Spock,
Live long and prosper.

and finally, Dr. Wren,
It will have to be said that you and I will probably never agree. Our political and religious differences will always keep us at opposite ends of the spectrum. However, I have grown to respect you in many ways. I have enjoyed your teaching style since the first day of class. If nothing else, you have strengthened my faith and belief in God and Christianity more than any pastor has ever been able to do. I think that in a way, we needed each other. You opened my eyes to the world of the non-Christian and to a culture that views Christianity as a farce. I served as your example for all the points you tried to make concerning society and cultural indoctrination. I feel that it was a win-win situation. For that I thank you.
I do feel that your constant ad hominem attacks against me and your name calling were unwarranted, but they definitely kept the conference interesting. The few people that I did meet out of this conference told me that a big part of their participation centered around what you and I would say next. Never have I had a professor put together entire lectures only in an attempt to dispute an argument I was making. I was somewhat flattered.
I will not contest the fact that you are definitely more well read than I. However, you are the Phd. and I am only an undergraduate. Never the less, I did walk away from this course confident that no one is correct 100% of the time, even the professor.
Concerning the stories about you that circulate around campus, they never phased me. I was not scared to take this course with you, but I knew, based on my experience last semester, that it would be a lot of work as I was well aware that you and I did not see eye to eye. I don't think that had I taken this course with another professor, it would not have been nearly as interesting.
You told me once that one has to allow things to be complicated, that everything did not fit into the Star Wars universe of good and evil. I agree that many things are complicated and cannot be easily dissected. However, my understanding of Western culture is that we need to put things into good and bad, right and wrong. It is a basis for who we are. Our religions, politics, judicial systems, entertainments, prejudices, and even our sports, to name a few, all revolve around right and wrong, good and evil, just and unjust, strength and weakness. Your portrayal of me as a liar, a hypocrite, as stupid, and my portrayal of you as not always correct, all stem from the need to classify right and wrong. Just because you are a Phd., that does not mean that you are always right. Just because I am a Christian does not mean that I am always wrong. I feel that we both fell into the trap of "Western Culture" and we attempted to marginalize each other in order to put ourselves on the side of right.

One thing is for certain though. As long as I live, your immortality is guaranteed.

Wellington

 

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From:

Jen Jenna_11_9@yahoo.com

Date:

Thursday, May 02, 2002 01:54 PM

This class was pretty challenging in my opinion. Although I didn't enjoy most of the reading material, I can say there were a few that I was looking forward to. I think the conferences were helpful. It usually helped clear up any questions I had and allowed me to build up bonus points. Overall, I enjoyed the class and am looking forward to taking another class with Dr. Wren this summer.
Jen

 

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From:

TheRealET plumbingcrew@hell.org

Date:

Thursday, May 02, 2002 02:12 PM

One thing I learned this semester is that Dr. Pepper makes a bad mixer. It does not matter whether the high power fuel is vodka, gin, or bourbon. The result is less than satisfactory. You can take this information to the bank.

Another piece of vital information--some people take my brother's class thinking that HE is the problem. They study him--and often neglect the real subject of the course--those damn thick books.

Seriously Little Bobby is not worth your attention, or concern. He is minor league. he does not enjoy the respect of his peers, or superiors. He does not have a copyright on these books--and they are what drives the exam questions.

All for now. Next semester I will study the problem of Red Bull as a mixer.

 

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From:

Jennifer jenniferh1@hotmail.com

Date:

Thursday, May 02, 2002 05:59 PM

Yes this is the end and I have to say that I am extremely
thrilled. This has been my absolute hardest semester. I don't
know exactly why. Maybe it's because it is the very end for
me and I am going to graduate or maybe because I just had
so much going on this semester. Anyway, despite all of the
horrible things that I heard about Dr. Wren, I actually enjoyed
the class. To be quite honest, I took the class because it was
the only one that fit into my schedule, however, I liked the
many antics of Dr. Wren. He can actually be described as a
vivacious man because he always emphasized all that he
believes in (even though many others didn't). I loved to
watch him argue with people. I also thought that Dr. Wren did
a good job in holding our interest with the music (even though
it was a bit loud sometimes), the many pictures and the slides
of himself and others. So, thank you Dr. Wren for being the
first person to make Humanities enjoyable for me!!!

 

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From:

Tinkerbell

Date:

Thursday, May 02, 2002 07:39 PM

My Turn!!!
Good Bye to all of you Dallas people. This was the one and only Humanities course that I enjoyed. The other's caused me to learn a few select things, but taking them was like getting a root canal.(for my own good only)
I too,heard stories, I wish I wouldn't have believed, I needed the course, and there was no way in hell I was going to wait to take it in the summer, so here I am. I wish I had more professors like Dr.Wren, he's inspiring and interesting and so funny.What makes him good, in my opinion is that he's real.
Here's to never ending learning. ;)
Tinkerbell

 

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From:

Myrna2 myaz@utep.edu

Date:

Thursday, May 02, 2002 09:58 PM

oh! the end of the semester and the end of my days at UTEP!
Honestly, I have taken this class because it was the only one that was open when I registered. And like some of you I was scared to take it with Dr. Wren. But I enjoyed this class, I think that this was the most challenging class, as well as the other humanities, that I had. But I think there are the ones that made me be more responsible, because it was a lot of work in this class, but I really enjoyed them.

 

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From:

Missy bonitamel@yahoo.com

Date:

Thursday, May 02, 2002 11:22 PM

Farewell to all...wish you all the best first of all.

Second of all, I did have my doubts about Wren's teaching style, which included the conferences, but in the end, I found that I have learned much more than I expected to. I liked the fact that these conferences gave the students a chance to voice opinions, which would never have come about in class. I, too, have learned not just from Dr. Wren, but from others as well...Maureen, Ubi, Datalus...and the other regulars who posted...

And yes, a couple of the books were challenging, Leviathan...and there were also a couple that I used to read to fall alseep as well...yet, they were all an interesting package to read over the semester.

It's been quite a ride....

 

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From:

CSP jponicki@earthlink.net

Date:

Friday, May 03, 2002 10:11 AM

THis course has taught me all of the above. Most importantly , it has opened my mind and I know that what I have learned in this course I will take with me in my journey, which is not yet complete. I feel as if though I was given the privelege to travel in one of Mr. Hawking's wormwholes and got to see the good the bad and the ugly of the past and present of our western civilation.
I have also learned that there is no fudge factor to make things right when it comes to the sins of the past ,of our culture. Life is not a mathematical equation where you just stick the right constant (k) factor to get the right answer you want and make things right. Life is constant change. We must keep exploring all its possibilities and hopefully make the right choices along the journey.

 

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From:

Maureen mdurkin1@yahoo.com

Date:

Friday, May 03, 2002 10:19 AM

Thank you, Andrea and Wellington.. Wellington, you are so kind, especially in the face of all the challenges you had to encounter..

I will miss all of you.. You get used to a group and then it is over..

Please everyone, keep learning... Humanities is far more than a mere "requirement"...

Enjoy your summer and have fun at the party..

Most Graciously,

Maureen

 

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From:

Flashback

Date:

Friday, May 03, 2002 11:00 AM

End:

One thing that proved true for me in this semester was that truly "cada cabeza es un mundo" We are all definitely different.

Dr.Wren: I think you Senior for the Humanistic view. I see ever so clearly that reason has nothing to do with faith and vice versa.

Last time

Back Out

 

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From:

Maureen mdurkin1@yahoo.com

Date:

Friday, May 03, 2002 12:01 PM

"Cada Cabeza es un mundo"... Does "Cada" mean "each?" If so, then is it each head is a world.. or each person is different..?

The literal translation and Flashback's translation seem different..

Well, I don't know everything about Spanish..

Most Graciously,

Maureen

 

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From:

Datalus kinghelios@earthlink.net

Date:

Friday, May 03, 2002 11:47 PM

In the End...? I know it won't be for me. Each new book, class, or person I meet, causes me to create new questions that I want to seek out the answers for. The book that did this the most for me this semester was that of Hawking. I am a long way from being a physicist (I'm one of those Liberal Arts math haters) but the Theory of minus the equations really have made me think.

I want to thank all those who participated in the conference also. It was great. I am only sorry I did not get to participate early on because of problems in my private life.

I too am graduating on the 11th, but this will not be the end of my student days. I am going for my Masters next, and I will always remember my two classes with Dr. Wren (thank you). Although I am an Anthropologist (I bet you couldn't tell by my posts) Classical History was my Minor and therefore I really appreciate the studies presented in the Humanities. Both subjects study different aspects of the human being - Homo sapien sapien.

Good luck to all in the future.

Datalus - Mark Gutzman

 

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From:

Maureen mdurkin1@yahoo.com

Date:

Saturday, May 04, 2002 09:10 AM

Datalus [Mark],

We appreciated your input and good luck to you in your pursuit of your Masters!

Happy Graduation and enjoy your summer :)

Most Graciously,

Maureen

 

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From:

Littlerocks patricia@utep.edu

Date:

Saturday, May 04, 2002 04:27 PM

Hello Dallas Members,
It was great exchanging thoughts and ideas in our conferences. Thank you Dr. Wren, for teaching us everything about humanities and the world from your perspective. It has been a blast. Thanks Maureen and all those that participated in the conferences, I learned a whole lot by reading different thoughts and ideas that everyone shared. Good Luck in whatever you do.
Littlerocks

 

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From:

Maureen mdurkin1@yahoo.com

Date:

Sunday, May 05, 2002 08:05 AM

Thanks to you too, Littlerocks.. I will miss you. Good luck to you from a very gracious mayd of the woode :)

Graciously,

Maureen

 

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From:

YogiBear jfsalinas@utep.edu

Date:

Sunday, May 05, 2002 09:13 PM

Yes, it has ended finally, it's been fun but I'm glad it's over. It was a challenge to read all those books, if you're not much of reader like me. Well good luck to all next semester or career.
later,
bear

 

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From:

Maureen mdurkin1@yahoo.com

Date:

Monday, May 06, 2002 11:51 AM

Goodbye, Yogibear.. It has been fun..

I love your name, Yogibear..

I wish you luck and good tidings into the next semester or wherever you go.. :)

Graciously,

Maureen

 

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From:

Spock spock56@msn.com

Date:

Monday, May 06, 2002 07:13 PM

Dallas,

It is remarkable to me to watch the development of your minds as the semester progresses. Each of you is perhaps a single brightest hope for our planet. To all of you, I would like to say that it has been "Fascinating" to have communicated with you. Wherever your lives may take you, may I take my leave of you with the following: Live Long and Prosper!

To Dr. Johnson and Dr. Wren, I can only once again affirm my admiration and deep respect. You are both SuperNovas. As always, if I can be of any assistance, you have but to ask. Live Long and Prosper.

Ubi,

For both of us there is but a singular driving force, albeit one that is different. You have shown yourself to be a person of good character and excellent ideals. Between ourselves, it is possible that your mind is one of the most logical I have ever encountered. I have been and always shall be, your friend. Live Long and Prosper.


Maureen,

My debt to you is not measured in such small paragraphs. You are a Queen among us, and from a Knight Errant, I honor my Queen and Liege.



Spock
Live Long and Prosper

 

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From:

Mustang65 greenmachine65@msn.com

Date:

Monday, May 06, 2002 11:45 PM

Well another semester of Humn. finished and the last one for the books. Taking Dr. Wren was quite interesting in the way he makes you open your eyes to see things how they really are. When a professor or anyone for that matter can reveal your culture to you in a different light than how you have always known it to be then that person has accomplished a task in itself. His class was an experience that I look back on in a positive manner and will not soon forget. When I signed up for Dr. Webber, Dr J, and putting the icing on the cake Dr. Wren, I had heard bad stories and I must admit that I was a little worried but now three classes later I know now they weren't all that bad. Your outcomes in the classes you take are exactly what you make of them. Mustang65 ;]

 

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From:

Sigma sigma2533@hotmail.com

Date:

Tuesday, May 07, 2002 02:35 AM

Well in the end of it all I have to go say that this semester has been by far the hardest for me. My last semester and I don't know what I was think taking four other classes and taking humanities. I have taken Dr. Wren's class once before and I absolutely loved it. I have taken humanities classes with other professors and I just did not enjoy them. When I first sat in Dr. Wren's class I was hooked. When I started this last semester people would ask me what was I thinking taking Wren my last semester, I didn't think much of it then. But now all I can say was that it was challenging but I think that every once in a while you need that extremely challenging class to keep you on your toes. What is next? Well I know I will be praying that I pass all my class and I don't have to come back to retake anything.

Good Luck to everyone!

Congratulations to my fellow Graduates!!!

 

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From:

Maureen mdurkin1@yahoo.com

Date:

Wednesday, May 08, 2002 12:23 PM

Sigma, Good luck to you too :)I'm sure you are glad that you are almost at the end. [of the semester]

Spock, you are as gracious as always. You have steered us well these past three months. Your Queen is indebted to you for your service. :)

Graciously,

Maureen

 

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From:

Vixie monkeyface@email.com

Date:

Wednesday, May 08, 2002 05:56 PM

In the end the only consolation I have is that the Humanities are finally over for me...
well at least that is what I am hoping. By all means I have learned to have much appreciation for the cosmopolitan outlook this course has given me to better understand the prevalent ideals of our society, although I am not ready to adopt them entirely.

Dr. Wren, the best I can say about your teaching technique is that is beyond conventional...

I still do not know what to say about your essays besides the obvious hard, challenging, and a real pain. Sometimes I didn't even know what to think about them, but somehow they made so much sense when I was in the company of good friends I like to call Jack D. and JWBlack.

By all means I would recommend to my friends to take Dr. Wren if they have a death wish or appreciate a damn good lecturer... but beware you're in for a true nightmare (hint: the essays are a real bitch).

Thank you Dallas, it has been a true pleasure.

Vixie

 

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From:

Maureen mdurkin1@yahoo.com

Date:

Wednesday, May 08, 2002 06:14 PM

If you have done the work and the readings, can the essays be that bad?

I'm sorry that you find the some of the work so taxing..

Vixie, it has been a pleasure having you on this board. I hope you are not turned off to humanities.. Anything worth having or knowing is a struggle to achieve..

Most Graciously,

Maureen

 

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From:

Ubidubium huecowolf0@aol.com

Date:

Wednesday, May 08, 2002 07:11 PM

I've learned so much this time around, though I don't expect any less...

I've come full circle with faith, belief, and God; now I'm journeying outside that circle. I've learned to recognize and attack those ideas and concepts that I myself once taught.

Which leads me to knowing that I miss teaching and being on stage dearly. This in turn makes me question my own motives, hoping that in knowing the dark side I won't give into it again...

I've learned more about the force structure of the military and the political wrangling of our foreign policy around the world. It's taught me that a defeat can tarnish the self image of an entire institution for decades. It has also taught me that we seem more clueless in unconventional warfare now than at any other time, I'm trying to work out the significance of that. I'm sure Dr. Wren and Dr. Johnson will just start shooting at me with their M16's one of these days when they tire of my questions...

I've sadly accepted that the words of man can bind people when charisma is tied with belief and "faith." Not only in theology and religion, but in matters such as Machiavelli's "The Prince" where because people are taught it one way they never look into its context or history and believe it simply as it is. Voltaire is probably rolling over laughing right now while Hobbes is pounding at the inside of his coffin...

I've come to a new level of understanding in gender and race relations- I have learned things that throw what supposedly "is" on its head and pounds it into the ground. For that I am truly grateful.

More than ever I know that there is no value in fear and guilt...

I also see the value of so many voices coming together in a dialectic such as this. I grow as "we" grow.


It has been a pleasure all...

 

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From:

Dr.Wren wren@utep.edu

Date:

Wednesday, May 08, 2002 07:52 PM

I don't do the M-16 thing anymore. I prefer phasers, set to stun.

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From:

ZLN zelenea@yahoo.com

Date:

Thursday, May 02, 2002 12:17 PM

well, what can i say... yes this humanities class has taught me several of things,i never thought it be so interesting. yes, of course this class has stressed the hell out of me, and every time there's a test to be turned in i feel so weak. but i've learned that it's true i'm here cause i want to and not because any one is forcing me to be so. anyways that's what school is all about. Another thing is that this class has challenged me, and uhh i hate that but oh well sometimes we all need to be challenged.

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Voldemort GT-Forestal@excite.com

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Monday, May 06, 2002 09:03 AM

The main reason I took this course was to fulfill a humanities credit. I was able to view a few works I would not have otherwise done on my own. A few I enjoyed while a few I despised. I learned that in order to receive an "A" in this course, you need not have a life, because it is very taxing on ones time. However, though I may not realize in now, there is some good I hope which will result from this course.

 

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Spock spock56@msn.com

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Monday, May 06, 2002 07:14 PM

It is remarkable to me to watch the development of your minds as the semester progresses. Each of you is perhaps a single brightest hope for our planet. To all of you, I would like to say that it has been "Fascinating" to have communicated with you. Wherever your lives may take you, may I take my leave of you with the following: Live Long and Prosper!

To Dr. Johnson and Dr. Wren, I can only once again affirm my admiration and deep respect. You are both SuperNovas. As always, if I can be of any assistance, you have but to ask. Live Long and Prosper.

Ubi,

For both of us there is but a singular driving force, albeit one that is different. You have shown yourself to be a person of good character and excellent ideals. Between ourselves, it is possible that your mind is one of the most logical I have ever encountered. I have been and always shall be, your friend. Live Long and Prosper.


Maureen,

My debt to you is not measured in such small paragraphs. You are a Queen among us, and from a Knight Errant, I honor my Queen and Liege.



Spock
Live Long and Prosper

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Thundercat1

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Tuesday, May 07, 2002 11:19 PM

London,

I've learned a great deal in the humanities block of classes that I needed to take to fulfill a requirement. I've learned to THINK for myself more and not simply swallow what the media or the majority want you to believe. It's hard to really know what to do sometimes, that's why we have to strive to be as informed as we can be on the matter at hand, otherwise, how can we really make the "right" choice.

Another thing I'll take with me from this course is a better understanding of how when and where we live governs how we think and react to any given situation. Western thought is very different from the rest of the world, even though we as Westerners have trouble fathoming any other way of thinking. We take our freedoms and rights for granted too much of the time and don't s     to appreciate that these very freedoms came at a great cost (often life) to those that secured them for us. We are often unappreciative and sometimes undeserving of all that we have, but I for one have started to think differently about my own life.

I couldn't end this discussion without mentioning that this class has had the greatest impact upon my religious beliefs and faith. I was one of the many uneducated masses that simply blindly followed without question or thought. I know that science and knowledge can pick out all the corruption and misinterpretations that religion harbors, but it's still difficult to doubt (or leave) the faith I've had all my life. I don't know what the TRUTH is or whether any of what we do matters in the great scheme of things now (of in an afterlife if there really is one), but I've learned that we must each choose for ourselves. My faith has made some of what we discussed in class difficult to accept or even think about, but the material has also been interesting and thought provoking.

I enjoyed talking on these conferences so much more than I ever thought possible, and will miss them. To be honest, when I first enrolled in Dr. Wren's class (3302) I resented having to log on and discuss material on the conferences, but not that it's all over and done, I'm sorry to see them go. Thank you all... it's been fun! Good luck on the FINAL!

--Thundercat

 

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Lena florese@wwdb.org

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Wednesday, May 01, 2002 12:17 PM

Yes, I filled a humanities requirement, but I learned a lot as well. For one a part of my mind that I had closed up has been reopened and I have a stronger desire to be true to myself. I had actually read some of these books in the past, just for fun, and I had let that part of me slip away. Finding that out about me had more to do with lecture than the readings. Thanks Dr. Wren. Do you think we will ever s     fighting the Vietnam War?

 

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Maureen mdurkin1@yahoo.com

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Wednesday, May 01, 2002 12:20 PM

I've learned that it is getting harder and harder to maintain both faith and intellect at the same time..

I have been challenged often..

I always learn something new about Orlando..

I have learned that much of what I have learned here..I can apply to other classes..

But I have a long way to go.. The journey never ends... But I like that Charlie Brown..[Dr. Bob] is at the helm.. ;)

Graciously,

Maureen

 

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Steph stephaniev@utep.edu

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Wednesday, May 01, 2002 05:07 PM

This class was by far one of the most meaningful classes I've taken so far. I've learned to not only read a book, but also to critically analyze it. This is so useful in everything we do. I plan on going to law school and I believe that this semester has prepared me a lot better than any law class could.

 

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Maureen mdurkin1@yahoo.com

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Wednesday, May 01, 2002 05:10 PM

Good luck to you, Steph..Indeed these classes [Humanities] will stand you in good stead in law school..

Graciously,

Maureen

 

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Steph stephaniev@utep.edu

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Wednesday, May 01, 2002 08:28 PM

Thank you Maureen! Yes this class has already helped me to look much further than I ever did before, which is very useful for anyone who decides to go into law.

 

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Michelle michelle1305@elp.rr.com

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Wednesday, May 01, 2002 06:51 PM

I also took this class for my humanities requirement. However, this class did allow me to think critically about many things. I admire Dr. Wren for being such a great instructor.

 

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Woman amywillmon@cs.com

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Wednesday, May 01, 2002 11:12 PM

i have to admit that out of the three humanities instructors i've had wren is the only one who is willing to listen to others opinions. i know i enjoyed the class but i think what will stick with me the most is how he views god and etc. i never thought of it that way. by far he's opened my mind in more ways than one. this had to be the only class i attended on a regular basis. thank you, no other teacher ever captures my attention and keeps me interested. it been fun. now its crunch time FINALS!!!! good luck to everyone.
woman

 

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Buff Spinal21@hotmail.com

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Thursday, May 02, 2002 11:34 AM

What have I learned this semester? One thing is to really read books. Now I know what hard work is and not that multiple choice stuff. I've really learned to use my head to be able to accomplish certain things in my life. Reading is good in order to gain more knowledge. I learned things about what I had learned before in more detail.
Why people do what they do and what their purpose was or initiated a certain movement. This and plenty more I have learned in the end but this is only a minor start at was is to come.

 

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Pokemon jperkova@utep.edu

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Thursday, May 02, 2002 11:51 AM

well first of all, there is no way in the world I can read that fast. That was my biggest problem.
Otherwise the class is very challenging, attacking our egos and ignorance in certain way.
I learned that there are some people in the world that will never change and due to their ignorance we will have many problems.
I learned to question myself and my decision making, I also questioned me and my social status. Meaning Do I do things because I want to or because I am expected to? Well I don't have the answer for that question yet, but I am working on it.
Of course I got mad couple times and some people were spinning me around, but I liked that. It was exciting and challenging. I am glad we had the conferences. It was fun, but sometimes people were talking about things there were irrelevant,and some people did not want to get involved in deeper discussions. If you don't agree does not mean you have to get arrogant. Say what you have to say, but don't make assumptions and nonsense comments.
thank you all
good luck on the final

 

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Crow jimthecreep@hotmail.com

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Thursday, May 02, 2002 02:11 PM

Before I took this class, everyone was telling me, "Don't take Dr. Wren." I asked for the reasons why and they all had different reasons. He grades too hard, he's anti-Christian, he puts in too much of his personal views, and a whole bunch of other stuff. So when I signed up for it, I was pretty nervous. I did not know what to expect.

As class went on, I realized that everything everyone told me was ridiculous. I realized that the people who told me these things either did not like to learn, did not like to do work, or were just scared of different points of views. (I think most people were scared.) I am so glad I took this class. So, what was the most valuable or important thing that I learned in this class? I learned that I still don't know shit and that there is still so much more to learn. Learning is something you never s     doing. It just goes on and on.

Thanks to everybody for participating in the conferences, too. Shout-outs to Pilgor, Ubi, the beautiful Maureen, Spock, Pokemon, Jimsterpunk, and Dr. Wren. I think I got everybody. (Sorry guys, you get no compliments on your beauty.) You all made things really enjoyable for me, whether I agreed with you or not.

 

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TheRealET plumbingcrew@hell.org

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Thursday, May 02, 2002 02:14 PM

One thing I learned this semester is that Dr. Pepper makes a bad mixer. It does not matter whether the high power fuel is vodka, gin, or bourbon. The result is less than satisfactory. You can take this information to the bank.

Another piece of vital information--some people take my brother's class thinking that HE is the problem. They study him--and often neglect the real subject of the course--those damn thick books.

Seriously Little Bobby is not worth your attention, or concern. He is minor league. he does not enjoy the respect of his peers, or superiors. He does not have a copyright on these books--and they are what drives the exam questions.

All for now. Next semester I will study the problem of Red Bull as a mixer.

 

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Steph stephaniev@utep.edu

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Thursday, May 02, 2002 02:16 PM

The only people I've ever heard say not to take Wren's class are those who don't know how to use their brains. College is not all about learning to spell things out on scan trons and guessing. Sometimes we have to really think, and that is what this class helps us to do. Right?

 

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Shelly mlseagrave@utep.edu

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Thursday, May 02, 2002 07:46 PM

In the end I think I've come away from this semester a more open minded person.

I've learned not to take things said on the conferences personally. In the beginning it seemed like Dr. Wren corrected me on every single entry I made. At first it bothered me a lot, and I didn't want to participate anymore. But then I realized that people are not always going to agree with me, and that's okay.

I've learned that people can debate about issues and still be friends, even though they totally disagree with each other.

I have fulfilled my Humanities requirement, and I am one step closer to graduation.

In the end I am glad I took this class. I hope it has made me a better person and expanded my knowledge. It's been fun guys! Good luck to everyone!

 

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Cam1 cuauthemoc_msn.com

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Thursday, May 02, 2002 10:02 PM

I learned so much this semester, and I really had fun doing it. This was my third and final humanities class and I admit I am a little sad that they are at an end. Not only were these my most challenging classes but they were honestly the classes where I learned the most. Now that I am done with these classes I do not know what I am going to do with all the extra time on my hands!

 

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Paola pgarcia@utep.edu

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Thursday, May 02, 2002 11:34 PM

I have to say that this has been one of my favorite classes at UTEP (together with Dr. Hosch's Psychology of Personality and Dr. Haddox's Humanities 1) and one of the very very few that has actually challenged me and made me work very hard. I loved this class. It was extremely interesting and engaging. This is a class that I hated having to miss and that went by so fast. I wish it was taught in two parts though so we could spend more time in each book because Dr. Wren's explanations of the books taught me a lot and made me view history and our cultural heritage from a completely different perspective. I also thought that the conferences would not be very fun and ended up enjoying them tremendously. I have to say, I really liked the "anti-Christian" parts :) and how some people would get so upset about this type of comments.

I really learned a lot and enjoyed every part of it (except of course the exams, which were -and I guess still are since we still have the final- quite scary).

I guess I saved the best class for my last semester at UTEP. I am actually quite sad to leave UTEP as I really loved being at this school and enjoyed every semester a lot. UTEP has really great professors and this is definitely the best part of this school.

Paola

p.s. the only thing I hate about UTEP is that they do not teach Italian. It is an insult!!!

 

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Terri mtrayas@utep.edu

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Thursday, May 02, 2002 11:49 PM

I have learned to think and rethink. And then later think again. Not just to think critically for exam questions but on the decisions I make everyday in my life and how that reflects on what I do and how that effects the world around me.
I've learned that truth is worth searching, not to take assumptions as truth. I can't say that I had fun all semester, but
Dr. Wren you put on a great class, I hope you never s     learning.
And as for me, I feel like I've grown tremendously in so many different ways, and am ready to dive into real living!!

 

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Maureen mdurkin1@yahoo.com

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Friday, May 03, 2002 10:11 AM

Thank you, Crow!

I am going to miss everyone..you all have such unique personalities... It seems as if the semester goes by too fast..

ET,

Dr. Pepper is just plain bad on it's own..no wonder it is not a good mixer...But, thanx for the laugh..:)

Graciously,

Maureen

 

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Kim immi-cakes@hotmail.com

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Friday, May 03, 2002 01:13 PM

first of all I learned how ignorant I was and how their is so much information and great books out there too read. I got to improve my critical reasoning skills.
But the most important thing I learned is never take two of Dr. Wren's classes at the same time, along with two jobs...
I did enjoy this class, and I know I will never forget it.

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Starfish les3131@aol.com

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Friday, May 03, 2002 05:38 PM

I learned a great deal...just like I did when I took Dr. Wren for 3302. My favorite book that we read out of all the books was Malcolm X. I learned how the critically analyze texts. I learned that there are times that you can't bullsh*t through everything.

I really enjoy Dr. Wren's lectures. I learned that logging onto the internet from my computer sucks. Overall, I learned that there are really good books out there that have a deeper meaning then the surface one. Also, I learned something new about Virginia Woolfe and her writings and I changed my whole viewpoint of Malcolm X.

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Lou lkleo1@msn.com

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Friday, May 03, 2002 10:56 PM

Wow, not too long ago we were writing our first entries with an introduction about ourselves. This semester was tough, and this class was challenging. Like Dr. Wren said, Humanities is a combination of literature, philosophy, politics, religion, etc., which by the way, is the same description I give to people when asked what Humanities was about. In-between stress and anxiety attacks, I learned how to learn, and I am taking this with me.

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Maureen mdurkin1@yahoo.com

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Saturday, May 04, 2002 09:08 AM

It does seem like only yesterday we were making first entries.. Time really does go by fast..

Graciously,

Maureen

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David dsmith3724@aol.com

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Saturday, May 04, 2002 10:11 AM

This was a challenging class with a heavy work load. My other classes are easy compared to this one.

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Maureen mdurkin1@yahoo.com

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Saturday, May 04, 2002 12:00 PM

But don't you feel like you've accomplished more once you get through a challenging class? [Heavy workload and all]

The easy classed leave you feeling as if you have learned absolutely nothing.. otherwise, why would it be so easy?..

Graciously,

Maureen

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Crow jimthecreep@hotmail.com

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Saturday, May 04, 2002 12:42 PM

You always learn more when you bust your butt in class. And it feels so good when you get that A.

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Maureen mdurkin1@yahoo.com

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Saturday, May 04, 2002 12:58 PM

It does feel good..it feels as if you truly earned it... :)

Graciously,

Maureen

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Pilgor mwmerr71@elp.rr.com

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Saturday, May 04, 2002 01:27 PM


the end, my only friend, the end...

The end is not my friend...Jim Morrison was full of it.
Why must it end?

Dr. Wren's son informed me at the party last night that I was an official Wrenegade now that I've completed all three legs of the Wren's World circuit (well, almost completed it.)

Pardon me if I sound like a junkie going through withdrawal. As I've confessed before, the conference is like digital heroin to me.

I was joking with Spock last night at the party how I'm going to come back next semester under a different assumed name.

I'd like to thank Dr. Wren, Dr. Johnson, Ubi, Spock, Maureen, Andres, Hera, Grad2002, Crow, and everyone else who put me in my place when necessary--which was quite often by the way. I've learned so much from all of you. As I've said before, I highly value everyone's wisdom and your friendship, as well.
It's hard for me to put into words how Dr. Wren has impacted my life. We're both ex-football players, and as Dr. Wren has done many times, the only time I ever learned anything was when my line coach smacked me upside my helmet and sat me on the bench. I've never hesitated in questioning other people's beliefs, but I get a little uneasy when my own peculiar beliefs are challenged. The WCH program has served in opening, as Emerson said, my "iron eyelids", towards new realms of possibilities and new ways of thinking. More importantly, I've learned who I am, where I came from, and where I'm going--same goes for the rest of my extended family also known as the human race.
Like Dr. Wren said on the last day of class, studying the humanities is an ambitious undertaking because it covers the entire spectrum of human activity.

I disagree with Dr. Wren, however, when he says we won't carry what we've learned past the walls of the UGLC. I'm definitely going to apply what I've learned in other classes, in fact, I've already done so.

As for Dr. Wren's evil twin, Bubba, he failed to recognize how much the students who actually care about learning and challenging themselves respect and admire Dr. Wren for what he's done--pushing us past the limits and obstacles that our respective upbringings have laid out. Who cares what the rest of the faculty thinks about Dr. Wren anyway? He teaches for our mutual benefit--as he said in class, for RHETOR!!!
By the way, Bubba, stay away from that Red Bull crap--it tastes like a mixture of Mountain Dew and Metamucil. ugh...
And there's nothing wrong with Dr. Pepper...it makes the world taste better.

As for the big, thick books Dr. Wren mentioned, my favorite is still The Aeneid, hands down, with The Iliad coming in a close second. Plato and Aristotle cannot be left out. I still remember the first time I read Heraclitus' fragments and the thought occurred to me, "Holy crap! I'm actually reading real Greek philosophy, WOW!" The same went for Parmenides and The Way of Objectivity. It was also a joy being exposed to Boethius for the first time last semester. He and Lady Philosophy taught me that "Some things in life are bad, they can really make you mad. Other things just make you swear and curse. When you're chewin' on life's gristle, don't grumble, give a whistle, and this'll help things turn out for the best...and...Always look on the bright side of life."
--Monty Python's Life of Brian

I learned a lot about our country, the roots of materialism, and "recursive ideas" existing in our culture as articulated by Thomas Hobbes.
I also learned about my battles with personal "Demons", in particular, my ideological ones. Not to mention realizing that the down-going and talking to the sun isn't as silly as I thought it was. "Good morning Starshine...the earth says hello."
And thanks to Ubi, and our early morning musings, I learned that I need to get over my hang ups about math because I'm a natural at physics and metaphysics. I also learned that rock music isn't exactly the high-minded art form I thought it was. lol
I also thought Ubi would be the one to school me in chess, not his girlfriend.

This could go on and on, so I'll cut off my rambling ruminations and turn my focus towards the final exam.

Again, I'll miss everyone here and I HOPE, yes I hope, that we can all remain friends and intellectual sparring partners in our remaining months and years in school and in our lives ahead.

Excelsior!

Your loyal barbarian friend,
Pilgor a.k.a
Mike

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Maureen mdurkin1@yahoo.com

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Saturday, May 04, 2002 02:42 PM

We are your loyal comrades, Pilgor.. Where the Barbarian goes..we go.. :)

Who knew a Barbarian could wax so sentimental?

You are quite eloquent and gracious..

[It is good that you are getting the flattery of Dr. W in before the final exam..LOL..I know you mean it, Pil']

Most Graciously,

Maureen

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Pilgor mwmerr71@elp.rr.com

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Saturday, May 04, 2002 03:02 PM


Ha Ha!

You should have seen me at the party last night. I arrived bearing gifts...A TV Guide with Captain Picard on the cover, and the pilot episode of Star Trek: TNG. I would say it's shameless butt-kissing, but I really meant every word and the gifts were symbolic gestures. Dr. Wren's been my captain in a number of different ways. Actually, we'll be doing research together this summer. He already has a stack of books he wants me to read. I can't wait to start reading Sartor Resartus, translated as, The Tailor Retailored by Thomas Carlyle. I sampled a little of it ahead of time--talk about sex for the mind--whooo, it's a trip so far.

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Crow jimthecreep@hotmail.com

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Saturday, May 04, 2002 05:49 PM

Maureen,
Wouldn't you like to be a Pepper, too?

Pilgor,
I don't think i ever put you in your place, but I sure learned a lot from you.

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Maureen mdurkin1@yahoo.com

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Sunday, May 05, 2002 07:27 AM

Crow you are so funny...

But, what is being a "pepper?"

I wouldn't mind being a pepper if it tasted better.. Sorry, that is just me.. ;)

Graciously,

Maureen

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From:

Crow jimthecreep@hotmail.com

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Sunday, May 05, 2002 01:45 PM

Maureen,
You never saw that old Dr. Pepper commercial? I know I'm old, but I'm not that old (28). The jingle went like this, "I'm a Pepper, you're a Pepper..." and so on. At the end, it asked, "Wouldn't you like to be a Pepper, too?" It was a pretty corny jingle.

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Pilgor mwmerr71@elp.rr.com

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Monday, May 06, 2002 12:14 AM


I remember it! I'm a pepper, she's a pepper, what the hell are you? j/k

Wouldn't you like to be a pepper too?

Be a pepper, drink Dr. Pepper...

It had the actor who was in "An American Werewolf in London"

And I'm not referring to Griffin Dunne.

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From:

Crow jimthecreep@hotmail.com

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Monday, May 06, 2002 11:15 AM

I'm glad somebody remembered.

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Maureen mdurkin1@yahoo.com

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Monday, May 06, 2002 11:39 AM

Crow and Pilgor,

I do remember the commercial [from not so long ago]..

But it didn't answer who or what is a pepper?

You become a pepper by drinking Dr. Pepper?

I guess a pepper is someone with bounce, with vitality, who likes to skip and do cartwheels over Dr. Pepper..:)

Graciously,

Maureen

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Maureen mdurkin1@yahoo.com

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Monday, May 06, 2002 11:40 AM

Sorry I didn't answer your previous page, Pilgor..

I was posting.. Sometimes that takes a bit longer than I anticipate..

Most Graciously,

Maureen

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Pilgor mwmerr71@elp.rr.com

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Monday, May 06, 2002 01:04 PM


Don't sweat it, Maureen.

I really don't know what a "pepper" is either. Doing cartwheels over a bottle of Dr. Pepper...LMAO...good one.

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Key ynkadynk@elp.rr.com

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Monday, May 06, 2002 02:25 PM

What I've learned from this class is that I should have kept up with the conferences. Out of all my 33's in humanities with Dr.Wren, this group showed more interest and helped me better understand our readings.
Also, I was able to incorporate many of the issues we covered in other classes---should i be surprised?---i think not...
key

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Crow jimthecreep@hotmail.com

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Monday, May 06, 2002 02:27 PM

Maybe during the conferences next semester, they can discuss what a Pepper is.

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From:

Maureen mdurkin1@yahoo.com

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Monday, May 06, 2002 02:37 PM

Key,

Do not fret over not being able to keep up with the conferences..

Many times I have felt like the conferences were getting away from me.. It can be stressful trying to keep up..

But, you tried your best. The important thing is that you learned something..

Pilgor and Crow,

Maybe we could create a new computer question.."What is a Pepper and relate that to Modern Western Culture?" [If that is possible..]

Perhaps pepper implies spice and spunk.. The "pepper" in Dr. Pepper fires you up? :)

Most Graciously,

Maureen

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Grad2002 queenabilez6@aol.com

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Monday, May 06, 2002 03:19 PM

I learned to annoy people. I learned to work on people's assumptions. I taught my children to question every teacher, every book, every assumption that is placed upon them. It is an ongoing process that is with them as well as me. I will be dead one day, and I have learned so far that they are teaching me what is a virtue and noble reaction vs. a bougeous and faith movement. This class and the other humanities has certainly been very helpful at work where I have a policies, a model based on faith, "Christian" doctrine as the hidden agenda *cui bono?*, and the manipulation of statistics all in the name of "Ethos". I love it! I challenge and analyze the actions of this model. Often, I will here someone remark, Liz we know you are going to UTEP and learning all kinds of "interesting" things (sound familiar?) but don't bring to work. Stick to "our" program,K? Hilarious! It has only begun. I am a demon. What you don't know won't hurt you, but what you do know can kill you. Thank you Wren. Those words have been very effective with my actions at work.
I remember Freud as well as Hobbs(not to be confused with Calvin and Hobbs although they didn't get the maladjusted, anti-social tendencies thing at work either)I look at movies, music, video games, literature, and institutions with new and suspicious eyes.
Of course, I probably do sound dull. It seems tedious. But, like with Chaucer and Shakespeare, I have learned to be specific and not to mention provide use of the literature in my students views. I don't want to persuade them. I want them to challenge who,what,when, where,why, and how they are where they are today. This course has helped me express my views in other classes. This class was a chess game. Checkmate.

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Dexter pinkpoodle2@lycos.com

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Monday, May 06, 2002 03:59 PM

This class has given me a thirst for
knowledge.

I want to learn and have found myself
asking more questions than usual. My
peers have valuable opinions that should
not go unnoticed. I've learned to form my
own opinions and critique others.

More than anything I've learned that Dr.
Wren is not as bad as they make him out
to be. He expects hard working students,
what we should be in the first place.

Have a great summer everybody,
Dexter

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Maureen mdurkin1@yahoo.com

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Monday, May 06, 2002 05:58 PM

Dexter, it is good that you leave hungry [for knowledge]...

Have a great summer to you too, it has been a pleasure..

Grad2002, I shall miss you as well.. You have challenged us as well. Truly, you have used your time at UTEP well. My best wishes to you.. :)

Most Graciously,

Maureen

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Karla

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Tuesday, May 07, 2002 08:43 AM

I learned that it is very difficult to look in the whole and find about the hardships life posts to other people in different cultures.
I found out that I seek for the protection of the leviathan and that I am in favor of the commonwealth.
I realized that I constantly try to renew myself even though sometimes I go downhill.
I grasped a better knowledge of Western Culture, but I still need to learn a lot.
I know that I do not wish to become a man and I will try to be more sensible about diversity.
I realized that I am not used to cope with nature and that I will not be able to survive in the jungle.
I want to thank everyone in the conference for coping with me and for caring, specially Ubi because he comforted me at times.
As for Dr. Wren I need to recognize that he is one of the best professors I have ever had. He will be a great influence in my profession and I admire his dedication and hunger for knowledge.
I think that this class improved my critical thinking abilities and it will be a great tool in my profession.
I am going to take Dr. Wren's class this summer because I think that it is challenging and I will be able to continue in the process of becoming...

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Michelle michelle1305@elp.rr.com

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Tuesday, May 07, 2002 08:15 PM

I agree with Dexter. I heard a lot of people say not to take Dr. Wren because he is hard. He is a pretty challenging teacher however, he just wants to make sure that we learn. I have always noticed that when I have hard teachers I always come out learning a lot more than with the more lenient teachers.

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Kittykins ponkey9@yahoo.com

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Wednesday, May 08, 2002 12:07 AM

I, like many people took this class to fulfill a requirement. But I have found that each time I take a Humanities course I realize that there are so many books out there that I need to read, besides the ones that are on our reading list. This class gives me that feeling of "I need to know that".

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From:

Laredo

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Wednesday, May 08, 2002 03:08 AM

Well, it is finally over!
I took this class to fulfill a requirement as well, but I must say I enjoyed them.

This semester was extremely tough thanks to this class and Humanities 3302. What in the world possessed me to take both at the same time, well...I guess a hunger to graduate! Soon!

I learned to question things, on my own, or to myself as well as with others. I learned to doubt and not take everything that I hear as the only way things can be.

I learned that some of these books that I would have never thought of picking up can be extremely interesting and worthwhile.
I know he is not one of everyone's favorites, but I am planning on reading some more of Nietzsche's work.

I thank Dr. Wren for making his classes challenging, and making his lectures understandable. You take these complicated works and put them into terms that we can understand more easily.
I also thank those that kept the conferences interesting like; Grad 2002, Ubidubium, Maureen, Nanny, Pilgor, and of course Spock.
Thank you all for sharing your thoughts and helping me out with all this material.

Good luck to all and enjoy the summer!!!!

Thank you Dr. Wren and Dr. Johnson for teaching classes that challenge and actually scare some students!! I enjoyed them.

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Maureen mdurkin1@yahoo.com

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Wednesday, May 08, 2002 10:11 AM

Spock, you are so gracious, you are almost giving the Mayde of the Woode a run for her money.. :)

Laredo, I thank you for your kind words. Truth is, I love to post. So, it is fun as well as intellectually stimulating. :)

Graciously,

Maureen

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Relu1 lreyes1@utep.edu

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Wednesday, May 08, 2002 02:39 PM

I just think Dr. Wren is an excellent teacher. I've never actually looked forward to attend a class. He made me want to go to class because his lectures are very interesting. Thanks.

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From:

Maureen mdurkin1@yahoo.com

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Wednesday, May 08, 2002 05:52 PM

I'm the same way, I love to look forward to going to class. Every semester, you need at least one class that you can get excited about.. :)

Graciously,

Maureen


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Ubidubium huecowolf0@aol.com

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Wednesday, May 08, 2002 07:09 PM

I've learned so much this time around, though I don't expect any less...

I've come full circle with faith, belief, and God; now I'm journeying outside that circle. I've learned to recognize and attack those ideas and concepts that I myself once taught.

Which leads me to knowing that I miss teaching and being on stage dearly. This in turn makes me question my own motives, hoping that in knowing the dark side I won't give into it again...

I've learned more about the force structure of the military and the political wrangling of our foreign policy around the world. It's taught me that a defeat can tarnish the self image of an entire institution for decades. It has also taught me that we seem more clueless in unconventional warfare now than at any other time, I'm trying to work out the significance of that. I'm sure Dr. Wren and Dr. Johnson will just start shooting at me with their M16's one of these days when they tire of my questions...

I've sadly accepted that the words of man can bind people when charisma is tied with belief and "faith." Not only in theology and religion, but in matters such as Machiavelli's "The Prince" where because people are taught it one way they never look into its context or history and believe it simply as it is. Voltaire is probably rolling over laughing right now while Hobbes is pounding at the inside of his coffin...

I've come to a new level of understanding in gender and race relations- I have learned things that throw what supposedly "is" on its head and pounds it into the ground. For that I am truly grateful.

More than ever I know that there is no value in fear and guilt...

I also see the value of so many voices coming together in a dialectic such as this. I grow as "we" grow.


It has been a pleasure all...

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Paola pgarcia@utep.edu

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Wednesday, May 08, 2002 11:15 PM

I just wanted to say that I will really miss this class and the conferences. It is definitely my favorite class and the class that has motivated me the most and has made want to find and read a lot of great books I was not familiar with. If all professors were like Dr. Wren, we would graduate from UTEP having learned so much and having learned how to think more critically and with a more open mind. I am very thankful for having taken this class and I really wish I had taken the other Humanities courses with Dr. Wren. I wish I could take this class again although that is impossible since I'll be in law school next fall :(

Ciao e buona fortuna a tutti!

Paola

p.s. Dr Wren: you must go to Italy and tell me that you also think it is wonderful :)

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Dr.Wren wren@utep.edu

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Thursday, May 09, 2002 06:41 AM

I have never been to Italy, but I have no doubt that it is wonderful. How could the peninsula that gave birth to Dante be anything else?

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Maureen mdurkin1@yahoo.com

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Wednesday, May 01, 2002 11:43 AM

I like Charlie Brown..so that is not a problem..he is the most reflective and thoughtful of all the peanuts characters..

I have learned that it is indeed getting harder and harder to have faith and intellect at the same time..

I have learned that my struggle is far from over..

Graciously,

Maureen

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Chiojessy chiojessy@yahoo.com

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Wednesday, May 01, 2002 02:42 PM

I think my biggest thing is that I am reminded of all of the different opinions out there. It's interesting to be able to discuss things with people I'd probably never have met otherwise.

I'm glad that school's over with. I'm so looking forward to graduating and saying that I've survived Wren's class (all three parts!). I've learned that there is more to school than reading a book and finding all the answers. Some books are just the beginning of the thought process. I've learned to analyze and look at things in ways I never thought imaginable. Thanks Dr. Wren!

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Maureen mdurkin1@yahoo.com

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Wednesday, May 01, 2002 04:45 PM

I hope everything works out for you after graduation, chiojessy. :)

Graciously,

Maureen

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Mario morquiz@msn.com

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Wednesday, May 01, 2002 05:30 PM

For all;

Well what I learned is how to craft really creative essays in short periods of time. But more importantly, I learned critical thinking skills, and the know how to break material apart, and apply to different ways.

So next time, I am driving down the freeway and the police is right behind me, I am going to think what would have thought what Napoleon would have done.

With love for all

Mario

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Maureen mdurkin1@yahoo.com

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Wednesday, May 01, 2002 05:47 PM

Mario,

You have added much to our conversations..I am going to miss you..[and you love for all sign-offs..]

Perhaps the spirit of Napoleon will guide you whilst you are driving upon the highway..

Graciously,

Maureen

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Marie RLMKMM@aol.com

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Wednesday, May 01, 2002 06:18 PM

Gosh Maureen, I hope Mario isn't guided by Napoleon (I don't need turn signals!!) There seems to be a lot of that on I-10. I like Chojessy am looking forward to graduation. It's the closing of a chapter long in the writing. It's been fun being in Wren's class and I've had a good time mulling over some of the ideas that form what we are and who we say we are. I hope everybody does come to the party and gives us all a chance to just be silly.

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Maureen mdurkin1@yahoo.com

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Wednesday, May 01, 2002 06:22 PM

Marie good luck to you as well. You certainly sound as if you are glad that most of the "work" is over..

I wish you well for your future..and please enjoy the party..It's time to reap the rewards!

Graciously,

Maureen

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Yelly mi422berretta@aol.com

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Wednesday, May 01, 2002 09:41 PM

Well I am happy to say that I actually got something out of this 3303 class! (That is a lot more than I can say for 3301 or 3302. But of course I did not have Dr. Wren as a teacher either.) The class really challenged my thinking and put new insight into what I read and think. I am not one of the lucky graduating ones, not until next year. Just a little tip for everyone, don't transfer colleges, you will be in longer.
Thanks to all and especially Dr. Wren, I have enjoyed the opportunity.

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Stardust lunanightfire@hotmail.com

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Wednesday, May 01, 2002 11:30 PM

What Ie learned from this semester is that a science major can make it through all the humanities offered. I didn have the honor of taking Dr. Wren 3301 but I did take 3302 and 3303. Several of my peers with the same major as I am (microbiology) thought I was crazy to go through all the humanities when we were only required to take the first one. But I really enjoyed the time I have spent here in the conferences and in class. I also greatly improved my reading skills.

But most importantly, my view on science has greatly changed. I always saw science as
nothing more than a means for finding new theories and ideas. I never really gave much thought about how much a society and its culture are influenced by science. Now that I leave the final course (but still have 2 years more to go), I will think more about how what I am doing in my lab or clinic (veterinarian clinic hopefully one day) will be viewed by society.

-Stardust-

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TheRealET plumbingcrew@hell.org

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Thursday, May 02, 2002 02:15 PM

One thing I learned this semester is that Dr. Pepper makes a bad mixer. It does not matter whether the high power fuel is vodka, gin, or bourbon. The result is less than satisfactory. You can take this information to the bank.

Another piece of vital information--some people take my brother's class thinking that HE is the problem. They study him--and often neglect the real subject of the course--those damn thick books.

Seriously Little Bobby is not worth your attention, or concern. He is minor league. he does not enjoy the respect of his peers, or superiors. He does not have a copyright on these books--and they are what drives the exam questions.

All for now. Next semester I will study the problem of Red Bull as a mixer.

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Crys stal_1381@yahoo.com

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Thursday, May 02, 2002 06:05 PM

Like many of you others I had Dr.Wren for 3301 and I thought that maybe with one class with Dr. Wren under my belt I would know what to expect from this class, but I was wrong. This semester I learned that you cannot just believe in something for the sake of belief but you should always try and have a good reason and back up for that reason. In Dr. Wren's class if you believe just for the sake of belief you will leave doubting what you believe and questioning all that you know. He makes you read what the books really say not what we have been taught that they say or what we with our rose colored glasses want to believe that they say.

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Victoria martinezv@utep.edu

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Thursday, May 02, 2002 06:40 PM

You know, this class really angered me at times. The things written on the conferences and said in class, but it was huge learning experience to know how other people think. It was.....great.

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Swoops

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Thursday, May 02, 2002 09:14 PM

I must say that I have truly been challenged by this course. Taking 3302 with Wren concurrently does make things a tad bit harder... Other classes that I have taken here at UTEP have taken time and effort, but none required the same amount of thinking, analysis and questioning that this one has. I must say that this class has redeemed UTEP in my eyes as offering me something that I didn't have before I started. I don't think it was the subject of Humanities more so than the varied and quite interesting teaching method used by Dr. Wren. He really does have a way of inspiring students, even if he does get rude, obnoxious and is quite often hard-headed... This class has helped me to see the diversity of our culture and the history that has taken place to get us here. It is quite amazing to me that there are so many improvements that have yet to be made, and just how self-righteous our culture is in accepting that. Overall, I have had a great time and have come to love participating on the conferences, after being quite hesitate to take part in the beginning. That you peers and Dr. Wren for motivating me to learn and for challenging me. I too will be graduating in a little over a week and am trying to concentrate on my last days as an undergraduate before starting grad school in the fall. Good luck to all... those graduating and those enduring more time at UTEP.

Swoops

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Linda lindachen22@hotmail.com

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Friday, May 03, 2002 09:16 AM

Honestly speaking, although I wasn't quite that interested in this course before I took it, I did learn quite a bit from the lectures/discussions in class and different opinions people had in conferences. I also got to understand a little bit more about some of the authors that wrote all those books we had to read. Overall, the course was fascinating at some times, yet genuinely challenging in terms of critical thinking and putting your ideas in essay form (a lot.) Best of luck on everyone's finals!

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Maureen mdurkin1@yahoo.com

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Friday, May 03, 2002 09:42 AM

ET,

The biggest thing you learned is that Dr. Pepper is a bad mixer? Dr. Pepper is pretty bad on its own, it is only logical that it would not "add" anything to mixed drink...

You are so funny... Thanx for providing comic relief..

And yes, the books drive the exam, but the instructor drives how the books will be examined..the instructor provides instruction on understanding those thick books..

Otherwise we could all get an education sitting in borders reading 5 days a week for at least 4 years.. :)

Graciously,

Maureen

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From:

Dr.Wren wren@utep.edu

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Friday, May 03, 2002 09:57 AM

I sometimes think that the sitting in Borders and browsing mode would result in better educated people than what we are doing in the university.
And Dr. Pepper, as every Texan knows, is what God drinks after 19 holes of golf. What Bubba is doing wrong is trying to improve upon perfection.

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Maureen mdurkin1@yahoo.com

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Friday, May 03, 2002 10:22 AM

I can't stand Dr. Pepper... I guess that make me that much farther away from Godliness...

It would be nice to be able to study in borders in a nice cushy chair..but I guess too many of us need deadlines and direction..

Graciously,

Maureen

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Victoria martinezv@utep.edu

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Friday, May 03, 2002 01:19 PM

What a tragedy! Dr. Pepper is yummy.

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Maureen mdurkin1@yahoo.com

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Friday, May 03, 2002 02:01 PM

It's too strong.[Dr. Wren] and it doesn't have a nice taste..no grape or peach or anything like that...

Graciously,

Maureen

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Swoops

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Friday, May 03, 2002 03:54 PM

Dr. Pepper is good, but I don't know about adding it to drinks...

Swoops

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S    her s    herlove@aol.com

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Friday, May 03, 2002 10:34 PM

I must say every class I went to was tremendously interesting and made me look at life in a whole new dimension. I wish I had Dr. Wren's brain... Life would be so much more simpler for me if I could just think like he does. He was an awesome teacher and I have had two professors other than him and he took the cake by far... No other professor showed their intellect the way Dr. Wren did not only that his humor was a plus at 9:00 a.m.

E.T: By the way, why dont you try a flamming Dr. Pepper?

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Veruca vnmolinar@utep.edu

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Friday, May 03, 2002 10:52 PM

First of all...Dr. Pepper was made in Texas, so it rules! No, I don't have a Texas complex! I have taken both anthro and psych classes and yet I have discover many other ways to look at cultures! I have really enjoyed the faces of classmates when they heard Dr. Wren talking about diamonds and nikes! That should be a "priceless" commercial...its unbelievable that people don't know that thing like that have been going on! All in all I have enjoyed Dr. Wren in these two classes! The books were incredible!

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Maureen mdurkin1@yahoo.com

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Saturday, May 04, 2002 08:13 AM

I didn't know Dr. Pepper was made in Texas.. No offense to any Texans.. ;)

Graciously,

Maureen

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PrettyBoy Sean_Vasquez@usdoj.gov

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Sunday, May 05, 2002 10:59 PM

The one thing I really learned this semester is how to handle stress. Working 60 hours a week and attempting to keep up with the readings is hard enough. It sure has taught me time management. Now that the semester is over and graduation is at hand, I think I need a vacation. Thanks to all for reading your interesting entries and thanks to Doc Wren for a very interesting class. Good luck to you all.

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Epcowboy usz87@aol.com

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Monday, May 06, 2002 12:14 AM

In the end Dr Wren's class has taught me how to critically analyze what is being put out by authors and the mass media. Not only why they said but how they said it. Dr Wren's class has also taught me that we are becoming a more complex society everyday and we need to look at the whole picture before we can make any type of argument as to whether we are for or against something and why.

To everyone who is graduating I wish you well. I hopefully will be there next year taking the walk as you are about to do.

To ET why waste your time in finding something to mix with bourbon, scotch, or whiskey? Just drink it straight! It'll cut the time in half.

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U2salome zooropa613@aol.com

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Monday, May 06, 2002 12:50 AM

By having Dr. Wren for Humanities, there is no way you could have gone to class and not learn something new. I really appreciate the way that the class makes you question things and analyze ideas more critically, rather than just taking statements for what they are.
Just 5 more days and 5 wonderfully filled days of finals until I graduate! yay!!!

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Maureen mdurkin1@yahoo.com

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Monday, May 06, 2002 11:30 AM

Happy Graduation U2Salome...

Good luck to you in your future.. I shall miss you.. Remember when we conversed on our mutual love of U2? [Way back in January]..My how time flies..

Graciously,

Maureen

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Jules JulieRR@aol.com

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Monday, May 06, 2002 02:15 PM

I really enjoyed Dr. Wren's lectures. I'm even going to take him in the summer for 3302, I'm going backwards. I know that's a little daring, however, I'm up for the challenge.

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Maureen mdurkin1@yahoo.com

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Monday, May 06, 2002 02:45 PM

Jules,

It is a little daring.. Even though there is less time in the summer, it is not as if Modern Western Culture classes get easier..

I admire those who forge ahead during the great heat.. :)

Graciously,

Maureen

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S    her s    herlove@aol.com

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Monday, May 06, 2002 04:48 PM

I did not know that you could take the wch classes backwards. I think the first class was the hardest. The third was the easiest. Probably since the third deals with how things are viewed by todays standards. All were very enlightening...

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Maureen mdurkin1@yahoo.com

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Monday, May 06, 2002 06:08 PM

Apparently, the first class [3301] blows you away because [as told to me] most of your preconceived notions are put to the test..and many will not hold...

Also, it is the first time you meet up with Dr. Wren and Dr. Johnson.. Once you get to 3303, you know what is expected of you in regard to work and class participation...

I also think that many find recent history. [19th & 20th] easier to fathom than the ancient or medieval world.. :)

Graciously,

Maureen

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Chiojessy chiojessy@yahoo.com

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Wednesday, May 08, 2002 03:38 PM

I think the only problem with the first class is the initial "Wren-shock." I know I was surprised. Now I have learned to appreciate him and all of his colorful conversations.

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Maureen mdurkin1@yahoo.com

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Wednesday, May 08, 2002 05:43 PM

Wren-Shock..Is that a new word? Maybe it should be called Post-Wren Traumatic Stress Disorder..LOL..[for those who cannot recover

I think many students exaggerate. Dr. Wren can't be that bad, tough, but not "shocking"...

Most Graciously,

Maureen

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Nat gnat13@msn.com

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Monday, May 06, 2002 10:21 PM

In the end I learned not to take everything I read or hear to heart, never s     asking questions, and that we as humans are not the "center of the universe". I enjoyed this class because it challenged my beliefs and made me appreciate life a little more. Some of these books really made me analyze myself and my minuscule existence in this enormous fish bowl. Thanks for all the interesting entries. At the beginning of the semester I remember being terrified and complaining everyday about the length of the text. My boyfriend pointed out to me that throughout the semester this was the only class I would talk about at home. Go figure, the class I feared the most was the class I learned from the most. Thank you Dr. Wren and everyone else for caring.

Natalie Nevarez Nat =)

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Dr.Wren wren@utep.edu

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Monday, May 06, 2002 10:37 PM

I really am at a loss as to how and why people "fear" me. I am five foot five and 3/4's, obviously aging, and I walk with a limp. If you find me scary, you are not ready for the real world.

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Victoria martinezv@utep.edu

Date:

Monday, May 06, 2002 10:37 PM

I think I am going to cry.

Victoria

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From:

Maureen mdurkin1@yahoo.com

Date:

Wednesday, May 08, 2002 09:56 AM

One can be intimidating through personality, not just stature.. Height is just one component..

Five foot five and 3/4's? I seem to remember you saying once that you were Five foot four?

I am not quibbling. In fact, it is a good thing. You are growing. Or your stats have been revised upward due to a previous error. :)

Hey, I walk with a slight limp now too. [From my own stupid accident] There is nothing scary about that..unless you count the pain.

Victoria, are you feeling a bit misty? I get that way too. You are not alone.

Most Graciously,

Maureen
*Five foot eight, and a 1/2! [Wait til' I start to shrink]